They will specifically ask you to Fedex or UPS the bank issued cashier’s check to them. Frank GunsAmerica dealers who use our Live Payments merchant accounts are all approved for guns online. Go ahead and order as much as you want before Feinstein realizes that you are still doing so … it’s her position that anyone who has served in the military is crazy and should not be allowed anything that goes ‘bang’. The fraudster was pretty stupid (as was I) having his wife sign for the check and her address and facebook account being very well documented. USPS is great for me you guy have any tips for me I wood welcome them any help thanks. i use pre paid debit cards for all online purchases, several years ago i used a debit card linked to my bank acct through bank of america and had my acct emptied and over drafted by almost $3000 from purchases and over draft fees. And some have a combination of both (monthly membership fees on auto-pay, all other invoices are paid as needed by check or cc). They are all good. correspondence, photos, follow-up, information, and solid ‘suggestions’ like the USPSMO advice above. Greed being the only reason the attempt was not successful, at this juncture I’ve lost no money, PayPal has corrected billing mistakes and is improving their business practices. You just have to be careful and follow the advice we gave you. Is the USPS paying for you to impose this? Will likely be again to get more. They seem to rig their auctons b/c a few of their sellers excluded me from bidding on their precious firearms. It is a dictatorship like anything else an administrator logs into to say what goes and what stays. After reading some of the ridiculous comments trashing GA, it simply harmonious to add my positive encounters with both the buyers and sellers here on this site. I never went postal, so don’t joke about it, it was a member of the MEDIA that made up that term and it just ain’t true… Ask the Mayor of Chicago if being a Chicago Citizen is the most dangerous job on earth… NO CCW, the Mayor has a staff to protect his saggy ass. Shop our unrivaled selection of handguns, rifles and shotguns from the industries top manufacturers and we’ll ship it to the FFL near you. It was a business address that had sent me photos and info of the item through the mail. Most of the other “free” credit report sites are also email address harvesting bots. > Hover over Accounting in the menu at left. I want to buy a gun from a seller that is not a dealer and has not credit rating. Using a postal money order, and mailing it by the USPS, assures you that you have legal remedies in case someone tries to commit fraud against you. If they actually ship anything at all, it will be junk. I do use Pay Pal in my on line business transactions. Just a couple of examples. Not to mention that not a lot of registered mail go to private parties (Certified is more common) so their mailman/woman/person may remember delivering it to them. > Click on the box to the left of the invoice you want to pay, to place a check mark in the box. The Postal Inspectors are excellent and proactive law officers. Find the address you’re mailing the MO to on google earth. Golly, I do so still pine for that gorgeous watch . There are opinions that the prohibition in the Bible of erasing G-d’s name apply to internet screens the same as print, and that this counts in any language, not just hebrew. Find a USPS Inspector Office Near You! Keep it up, I like it. It feel under internet fraud. Nobody’s system is going to be without flaw Ken. Never again any credit card payments for me, so I will only accept USPS money orders. of course, this won’t ever be done; so beware! Everything i did after the fact including the google map are spot on! Buyers prefer an asking price and making deals, and that is why our growth is in the triple digits and they are at 50% what they were even a year ago. Capture every sale. Last time I saw GunsAmerica.com was a place where someone can come and go as they please. For pistols you have to be an FFL dealer to ship them, but anyone can ship long guns. $45 for shipping and insurance to the FFL of … Yes, that is the point of our Guns On Demand system. Even if I locate a suspect a thousand miles away there is no way anyone is going to pay for extradition on a $3000.00 loss. Good advice. You should have gotten payment before sending it. Then you won’t be able to purchase from many of our sellers. “Don’t ever ship a gun or expensive item via Priority Mail.” I like the Google map address inspection. Good information. GunsAmerica is an advertising system, nothing more. It has become very clear in my area at least that the fault is in a total lack of training. (I try not to think about what ailment of his own he treated with the ChapStick® remedy). The postal inspector up to and including the national level were of no help. Only rednecks , hillbillies and derelicts without bank accounts use money orders. So let’s all remember the old adage, “caveat emptor”. How do I know, glad you asked! I have been ripped off in Feb 2013 on GA by a GA seller. Of course he would not do that. We require a valid credit card number to post an ad on GunsAmerica, but once that $1.00 authorization has gone through (we don’t keep the dollar unlike some other websites), we have no way to know if that card was cancelled as stolen. They even sent me a phone number to call eBay directly. Of course so is DHL and they will not ship guns. There are hugh disparities in what I perceive as “mint” condition and what sellers advertise as “mint” condition. You sent me an email because I am in you data base, ie a customer. I have used USPS money orders for years. That is the one thing that seems to keep them straight. Up to $10 Flat on gunsamerica.com + Free shipping on orders of above $150 or Reward point of around 500 Points, can be used on gunsamerica.com on your next purchase. The money may end up in a bank account in the Cayman Islands, but the payment itself is being sent to an American at a US address, made out to their name, and this person is a normal person listed in the phonebook. If you have any questions regarding this item, you should contact the Seller before bidding. But no matter what the scammers come up with next, rest assured that the United States Postal Service will be on the job as your own personal interstate police force fighting internet crime on your behalf. No middle fees, no check fees,name and address on check match return address on envelope. Still digesting all of the comments. Fraud is very rampant and requires constant vigilance to protect yourself. They are suppose to clear in three days. If this is too much hassle for the seller no sale. When I put in my zip code the nearest office was in Ft. Worth which is over 6 hours away. And the sellers here with solid histories and reputations to protect certainly inspire my confidence. I’ve actually been ripped off twice by purchasing stuff on Ebay using Paypal. playing phone tag games and verification games all designed to make time go by so they can take my money (steal my 100. and not send the gun) Licensed dealers have a business location that can be easily checked in many ways. That is why it says flash a peace sign. I purchased a gun listed on Guns America for $675. Paypal has at least some guarantees these days and when one uses a credit card to fund their purchase through Paypal that adds another layer of protection- your credit card’s fraud division and the fact that for the most part with a timely report of a loss/fraud you aren’t responsible for any loss. Make voice contact. When I accept payments online, I prefer Visa Master Card. i did buy a slightly used Sako TRG 42 here from a … The Federal Trade Commission reports that only 8.2% of fraud victims even report the crime, yet they still tracked over $1.7 billion dollars in consumer fraud complaints in 2010 alone. I’m proud to say that here in Wisconsin, we have been taking back our citizen rights under the Constitution of the United States, and this revolution shall continue. If Paypal catches you taking or making a payment for a gun, your account will be shut off immediately and both parties’ accounts will be frozen for at least 60 days. Perhaps kharma, three of the last four shipments arrived sans contents or damaged, four of five if the TV was damaged in transit. Some won’t even make you cover the first $50. It is my belief that those who forge US Postal Money Orders probably do not forge the tissue paper-like buyer’s receipt that accompany legit M.O.s. I had thought of using PayPal to reimburse the shipper. This is very awesome post! Wonder why? I don’t know where either of you got this idea, but USPS does not have a no firearms policy whatsoever. JM stamped, 20" Barrel, Rifle has been fired but is like new, buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6% sales tax, Price is for check or money order, Cc add 3% ...Click for more info That money is gone forever. Follow the link in the name. As a now retired salesman for one of the largest firearms wholesale companies in America I think I can safely say that I have a decent grasp on both the wholesale and retail side of the business. But the system can stress and burden victims and make redress difficult, sometimes for months. Commercial credit card accounts for online sales used to require jumping through a number of hoops, but not so today. Are you interested in Mobile or Point of Sale “POS” Solutions or Big Data Analytics? I saw a USPS money order last week that looked genuine in every way. just my opinion. In talking with law enforcement officials from local,state and US levels they expressed a very high regard for the USPS Inspectors. Same idea. I feel brick and mortar stores will gain sales in the future due to online security breaches. But, I am frustrated daily because most cases involving internet or wire fraud end up with the suspects being very far away, sometimes on the other side of the world. The new ones I have had some problems with – such as chips in the rear site (Glock 22), pieces of stock rattleing inside a stock (Kimber Montana), and my latest purchase, a S&W M&P, that jams every other round which I just sent back to S&W. I can’t believe the web site is promoted by the NRA. But with no FFL and no history I will just have to find another one from someone with a history. I can not wait to hear your enlightened views on these organizations. I send him the money to cover the shipping and he sends the Gun to my FFL, When they receive it I send him the money for the Gun, When he gets the money he calls the FFL and has them release the Gun to me. This took the wind out of my sails! If the Postal Service goes under, grab your ankles guys, Fedex and UPS are waiting with a stiffy for you. So, restrict any payments to USPS mail streams. Some of the motors and equipment offered for sale in the classified ads gets rather pricey. As for the mechanical defects mentioned above, (the M&P and the Weatherby), nothing can be done about that as in both cases I had the firearms for a few weeks. i knew where my sold items where at and could not go to get them back even with the proof they where once mine. Electronic Transfer Inc can provide you with a merchant account customized to your needs. I am always nervous when I get some obscure money order or certified check. Good-bye GunsAmerica. The internet has become the happy hunting grounds for every kind of bad guy imaginable. And, it doesn’t seem to matter if a dealer is honest. Why don’t you ask them why Proxibid is being used for their NRA auctions and not AA, because they sold that to yet someone else. I just sold a gun and shipped it by Fedex over night and cost me $94.00. I can send certified funds from my bank by accessing my bank account directly via the web. Nobody said that local cops don’t care. And yes, moronish comments will nearly always result in being ridiculed here, if we let them through at all. I have massive amounts of emails between the seller & me documenting the conspiracy to commit fraud by the seller and USPS has those emails now. Here are some tips to spot fraudulent sellers. Then when I bought what turned out to be a defective firearm, the seller, refused to take it in return. Is it even legal to sell guns over the internet? It is very inconvenient to drive to the Post Office, wait in line, deal with obnoxious clerks, pay and drive back to work. The internet has provided an easy tool for the bad guys to use. A certified check on my bank account mailed by USPS is the method of payment I use to link inventory purchases to my tax record. The Postmaster in Augusta, GA has forwarded my case to the Chicago USPS Inspectors Office for investigation, but I was told due to the “fiscal cliff” not to expect any results in the near future. POSTAL MONEY ORDERS look like a piece of “play money” BUT I assure you that a POSTAL INSPECTOR WILL CHASE YOU regarding money quicker and more efficiently than any other Federal Agent to include the IRS. I group searched the FFD,Sundale Big Boys Toy Shop,thats selling it and they have no web pg listed They do not have the money or people to police business internet transactions as completely as it should be done to prevent fraud. And that is why we put the fraud tips in as well. The Postal inspector Office I called was less than helpful and refused to contact the seller at all as I see one did in another poster’s post. > Click on My GunsAmerica. Guns.com does the legwork for you. Most can cash them, too. Auction arms is the official auction site for the NRA. I’ve also sold items on Ebay and it is true that Ebay insists on sellers accepting Paypal unless they have a commercial credit card account…so I guess the take-away message here is that the PayPal “scam protection” is also really just another scam………. Scammer told me he operated out of New York. The used ones I have found that a picture is not worh a thousand words. I also obtained a merchant account for an appliance repairman who I was helping move his business along (he chumped me, we are no longer associated in any way) about two years ago. . If you had followed our suggestions you wouldn’t have had this problem. I sent a USPS MO out this morning to a well known shooting supply company. It’s useful. Sooner or later HIS IP address gets blocked … and that’s what makes him / her a chumbolone. That has been resolved at one post office in my area and I now use it excursively. dont buy at E and L til I get some satisfaction….and remove these posts.bought a model 58 from an individual here , no problem and a woodmaster from E and L no problem….but when you lose my payment and you dont remember the deal nor me , from sept 4th and Im talking a week of bad sub-businesslike treatment on my calls to E and L expect a poor review. A report also documents the incident. Afterwards, I did some reading then saw that it was a rip (duhh). But, like I said, a good deal wasn’t enough for him and we parted company on bad terms. Credit cards must add 5%. I have read of cases where people are counterfeiting USPS money orders. Well why don’t YOU put your money where your mouth is and document “I KNOW”! If they would allow shipment of such items they would put a hurting to FEDEX and UPS. Check out the place and call the seller. It is my business and my decision. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns. A USPS Money order is the ONLY form of check that can NOT be stopped by the sender. i will be branded as a kook, nut, etc. I have to agree after reading your blogs for the last week you seem to have an attitude. Why not chill out and make this a nicer place? Another point is, even though we had cell phone conversations, he was in a hurry and it sounded legit, BUT I did not know of or think of having him send an instant photo of the gun AND of him …. I agree. So I next turned to PayPal only to be told that the “window” for re-imbursement had passed and that I was out the money I paid the seller via PayPal. (Grrrr). The scammer-seller you speak to on the phone or on email isn’t this American, and this individual you send the actual check to generally has no idea what is going on in most cases. The check arrives at the seller rapidly and is CERTIFIED. Because most fraud crosses state lines the feds can investigate it. Guns & Ranges: Guns America Nationwide. Several years ago I had made a purchase in Florida for a 12,500. purchase. It is interesting that the USPS is at the SHOT Show drumming up business. wanted to call them and order the gun…. He was attempting to scam me and his credit card company. They also told me that if I had attempted to cash them then I could have been arrested as part of the conspiracy to pass forged money orders. Your advice is very sound. “place a penny heads up next to the trigger guard”. Whether its a dealer or an individual with the FFL, it has to go to someone with a valid FFL license. Sportsman’s Guide has water tight, light tight 58 gallon barrels for $58 bucks. Wait until you receive the M.O. I tried to tell eBay this a few years back, when they demanded that everyone not use postal money orders, and use only Paypal. It is all trouble. Apparently he sold the same piece to a couple of other buyers. If that package gets lost for any reason, they won’t even start the tracking process for 31 days. anyway. Internet fraud is an ever changing picture. PIs chased Butch & Sundance. You defraud the Post Office a government entity and you go to jail. One was a very old lady and it was obvious even to the post office that she wasn’t part of the conspiracy, but that didn’t matter as that is how the law is applied. Shop all firearms for sale on Guns.com. The Momentum is a nice rifle, but not for the reasons Franchi thinks it is. After getting automated responses from PayPal I finally had a person email me claiming that I could not do what I just did. Money orders have been counterfeited and stolen so when you go to cash them, banks will not give you cash unless you have sufficient funds to cover and the hold period is sometimes 10 days (depending on the bank). WHAT nearest office? Interesting to say the least. Where did you read this? Unfortunately, law enforcement across state lines is a hole in our justice system. Postal Inspectors rate higher than any Government service, bar none! Don Schimpff. I say to you, I definitely get irked even as people think about worries that they plainly do people can take a signal. That goes without saying and makes for a good idea. I have had to use the USPS inspectors for fraud, and I can assure you, they act, and they act quick. A question I have is what is wrong with a personal bank check? UPS denied his claim as a fraud. If it was not so ludicrous I might be insulted. Payments via Check or Money Order: The mailing address is located on the payment stub on your statement. You do not have a problem touting GA but fail to allow a post that politely expresses some constructive criticism. I once bought some Indian artifacts online from across the country & discovered they were fake. I just made a purchase on GA and the payment instructions I received said to make a WesternUnion payment. This is good post. . With a credit card, you are only liable for the first $50 in the case of fraud. I have bought guns from out of state and the only way I would do so is for the seller to take said firearm to a licensed dealer to inspect and run serial number if it passes these test I will pay the dealer directly and have them ship to my dealer. Arnold Harris Dear Moderator I obviously need your guidance. I abide by their rules. People will try swindles because they aren’t resourceful enough to realize how exposed and “arrestable” they are. You can then make the payment in full with a credit card, or let us know that you are sending a cashiers check or money order by mail. Might as well be carnival prizes. The Jurassic period of the Internet. Last Updated 2/23/2019. Goldman & Sacks was an asenine policy and NOBODY call the IRS! I’m a gun owner, but I’m not an FFL. So, beware and DO NOT BE IN A RUSH…..if it sounds too good, it most likely is too good to be true. You don’t buy guys from us. Like most effective law officers they are never without a heavy workload. Do you work directly for GA? Good job. In your opinion is there an advantage to the extra costs incurred with certified mailings? It is a royal pain to send it back, which I have never done except for the Model 100 mentioned above. In our experience at GunsAmerica, much of this fraud originates from outside the country. Now if only all the stocking dealers would sign up for it. GunsAmerica’s communications system takes care of the rest by informing the buyer that the gun was shipped to their selected FFL and providing a receipt. The actual thieves pay others to post this crap for them in order to keep their own IP address from getting blacklisted. I went to my local post office with my evidence that there was “mail fraud” that had occurred. They are selling fake Gucci stuff. Except the Managment that sits and the computer all day doing EBAY, Amazon and Solitiare, the top paying never gets cut. I have insisted on USPS money orders fro several years now, for my own reasons. Totally criminal, shut pay-pal down for good and collect our interest and penalties from the rest of the deadbeats! However as with any government agency I am still at the whim of the federal prosecutor pushing the case. The scammer copied the details of a firearm they saw advertised and made up their own fake ad. I recently came accross your blog and have been reading along. […] I wouldn’t trust a dealer I don’t know any more than an unknown buyer who wants the gun before paying. I was blaklistedc from bidding on some auctions after buying w/ an A+ rating . Note: The information in this form is STRICTLY for the purpose of a merchant account and nothing else. I had a bad time with the USPS for some time. The gunsmith let me know about the Weatherby safety when he was shortening the barrel. I’ve joined your rss feed and look ahead to searching for extra Ebay owns PayPal they are one and the same and they compete with the USPS for your business. For the fastest delivery, select Express Shipping at checkout. it would certainly help if they did. The USPS money order is the next best thing to real cash money. or a postal money order? Makes you wonder if he is one of the owners and if not, do the owners have a clue how he is representing the company? And then The FBI got involved when I reported it to ebay. Expired Deal Hope I’m not setting anyone off by bringing this back up, but GA’s making a suggestion and not issuing a mandate: “Please do not deviate from our suggestion. Find new and used guns for sale at the largest online gun auction site GunBroker.com. Never take credit cards and thus protect yourself! I really appreciate good well written articles like this on honesty and safe payment methods. Well, Racerxxxr, I can foresee one problem with your suggestion. You have the audacity to slander an extremely successful company in an attempt to make yourself look good, another sophomoric argument. If they cannot or will not allow PayPal to be used for payment of legal interstate or intrastate firearms sales to law-abiding American citizens, then I am not interested in doing business through them at all. The BG’s were good; even had me ‘wait’ for the watch to be made for me to ensure the PP limited-time protection and CC timeframe expired. I made the mistake of not doing my homework and researching these watches or these bastardo’s. I got stuck for $844. That is a GREAT service we pay for and I am totally happy about the results.. File a Mail Fraud Complaint Online. I have been just very disappointed in the condition, versus my expectations of guns advertised as “mint” or 99 % or even 95 %. Some lazy folks getting good paychecks. Using an instate FFL friend as shipping agent, I’m shipping one of my son’s six long-barrel firearms to him in the US state to which he has relocated for a new job. For almost two decades GunsAmerica has been helping buyers and private sellers and gun shop owners do business online. Years ago I had a seller try to swindle me by substantially misrepresenting a product in a magazine ad. The old adage that the government has to prove your quilt doesn’t apply in this instance. Your bank or the postal service are the only ones to trust when you absolutely need a postal money order verified. Advertisements in local Pennysavers, and signs on the side of the road advertising “Work From Home” are often the work of a scammer from Algeria, Nigeria, and even some European countries. My question is about MO’s in general. In appreciation, I’d rather pay the extra up front and buy from a legitimate dealer. You can contact the seller by … Chemiker.You sending CERTIFIED funds rapidly doesn’t protect you from a scammer fraud, they can take off with your money. The system proposed by the admin here is as good as it gets for buying from a remote seller. You can counterfeit anything. I filed a claim and despite before and after pictures the USPS denied it saying I couldn’t prove I shipped the gun out rust free. They are the NRA auction site because they pay for the honor, and the NRA would have sold that to a kid on the street corner like anyone else who comes through their doors with money. Mailed form Florida to Oklahoma, it was a fraud. I bought the gun almost 4 years ago and I just received back from the gunsmith after a long battle with Weatherby over the replacement of the safety. after my experience with a bad check and the local police i was extremely upset. It passed all of the visual tests to authenicate it. Most members are on credit card auto-payment by default. Thanks to this honest individual, the thief’s plan was foiled. But when I wanted to pay he said to send it by Seller. Fraud victims can also get a free report. Undeniably imagine that which you stated. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/internet-scammer-paul-webster-caught-anti-fraud-tips-from-gunsamerica/, I bought a pistol from a guy. > Click on My GunsAmerica. You will have to contact them for their credit card info. I contacted GA by email inquiring about this seller BEFORE paying & sending the $, but GA to this date hasn’t answered ANY OF MY EMAILS! Pictures just do not show the dings, the scratches, the bluing blemishes and other defects, especially on older guns. • Payments for layaway plans must be made with check or money orders. The pictures in the ads were stolen from the internet. Crimes with far reaching harmful impact have occurred on the internet […] I have been denied service in more that one post office. I know the USPS will investigate every single complaint regarding their money orders. Your payment must be received by the 20th of the month or your payment method on file will be charged for your Balance Due. Use only USPS Money Orders, mailed via USPS, if you cannot use a credit card for your GunsAmerica purchase. The first place I looked to sell my revolver was Ebay but there were none up there at all for sale, so I figured they were a verboten item to sell up there. Please fill out the Live Payments application form so that Electronic Transfer Inc can contact you to speak about how easy and affordable it is to accept credit card payments here on GunsAmerica and anywhere else you need. if I won a bid … id#902393546 how do I go about paying for it ? Charlie Erb Fredericktown, PA. Wow, this has been going on since Railway Express was in business? Please add $30.00 to the price of the firearm for shipping and handling charges. The issue is who goes looking for it if someone steals from you. Unfortunately their prices are usually higher by about $50. I sent a bank certified check made payable to the individual’s name in the amount of $2300 along with my FFL via Fed Ex. A network of well vetted 3PIs such as “pack & mail” services could be the mailing point for payment and verify shipment of the purchased item before handing over the payment. This seller can then post false advertisements for sale, and without missing a beat send you a different physical payment address than the one listed on his account. Call the local police there. NRA-ILA election volunteer coordinator, Wisconsin 2nd Congressional District, You should switch to our provider they are gun friendly:

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